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From today's Globe and Mail (globeandmail.com) Prime Minister Stephen Harper has announced a 20-year, $30-billion renewal of the Canadian Forces in a broad plan that coalesces several previously...

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http://www.asc.com.au/aspx/news_article.aspx?id=106 If you check at the cost of the various infrastructure componants, either for the Collins calss , or the AWD, the required infrastructure for the...

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Absolutely. But the point is we shouldn't have to re-invent the wheel every two decades or so. Without getting mired in history too much, the story of the Canadian Patrol frigate Program bears quick...

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Yes, I have heard the cpf story, and I was aware that considerable one off development costs were required there too. IMHO the options for navies like canada and australia are thus, in descending...

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Exactly. I don't disagree with the notion that a nation's navy should be supported and constructed in-country as much as possible. In Australia the Collins and Anzac programs paved the way -- however...

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Boom bust has frequently been the discription for the Australian naval shipbuilding industry. 1910-1928 2 CL, 4 TBD, 1 Seaplane Carrier. 1936-1971 4 Sloops, 3 Tribal DD, 2 Battle DD, 3 Daring DD, 6...

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Actually, I'd put the cause of the second bust firmly at Gough's feet, DDL was good to go at the time it was canceled. Gough didn't have the budget to spend on them (too busy bankrupting the country...

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To me the five five and a half year completion time of the last two Rivers looks like a good impersonation of a death throw... I would agree about Gough, but the DDL and fast oiler may well have...

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We've lost so much expertise because of that same 'bust' cycle. For about two decades, we had sustained programs that allowed for the retention of expertise. Like your Rivers, our St. Laurents had a...

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I have read an interestinghistory of the Bonnie refit and her demise. Interestingly, the cost of the refit over run was cheaper than actually operating her at sea in the period of the delay.......

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NG, I couldn't find a reference to the updated CF Adams on the SPC's website, can you point me at a reference? I've got to admit that I hadn't heard of it before. It strikes me as an odd idea since...

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I think that the DDL, or an Improved River (full broad-beam Leander configuration, with Lynx, & possibly Sea Sparrow in place of Seacat, but with Ikara in the stern location) would have been...

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Jim Technical paper 2, "searching for a solution", p 17. There is a diagram of the B configuration DDG in "Reflections on the RAN", which contains a very simmiler, but slightly different paper. Do you...

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Just double-checked my article on the T-21 (Conway's, 1946-1982) and it says the RAN had originally stated a desire to order 5 T-21s.

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NewGolconda wrote: Jim Technical paper 2, "searching for a solution", p 17. There is a diagram of the B configuration DDG in "Reflections on the RAN", which contains a very simmiler, but slightly...

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IMHO the lack of effective Helicopters in RAN escorts before about 1989 was a major handicap for the RAN with or without a carrier. Given the SEA surface patrol and interdiction roles envisioned...

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Oh, I agree absolutely NG, but it is indicative of the RAN's thinking that there weren't any helicopter capable escorts before the OHP's, not even the otherwise Leander standard Later Rivers.

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Over on the Warships Projects board http://www.phpbbplanet.com/warshipprojects/viewtopic.php?t=2591&mforum=warshipprojects PG said: The original plan for the Australian Adams looked at: Version...

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My source was a local defence magazine. PG

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What are the timeline differences between the SCSC and the Royal Navy's ever changing FSC project? With Canada requiring up to 15 vessels and the Royal Navy wanting 18 units, I cannot help but feel...

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The RN and CF have gone in different directions, and the cancellation of SCSC hasn't helped with that. There's no chance of UK cooperation with the Destroyer Replacement Program due to political...

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